The future frontgirl of AKB48 according to my formula (Shabondama Days)
The first big mistake by AKB48 is caused by Horipro
The difference between AKB48 and Morning Musume
I have been loving every post put out by Nizmo on his AKB48 blog. It’s not that I always agree with the positions, I don’t. But I love the way Nizmo calls em’ as he sees em’. In some posts he is full of praise for the girls of Akihabara. In others…not so much.
In the first post he wonders who might be the future front girls of the group once the original team is all gone. He uses a formula scoring them on personality, presentation, looks, style and talent. It’s a fun read for no other reason than to see how your favorite girl fares in the system. Although I wonder about possible “flaws in the system” when I see Maachan and Kana with such high scores in comparison to the rest.
The second post is a criticism of Horipro, who manages some of AKB48’s talent, of featuring some of their girls in a promotion for Natto. I haven’t heard this “Nattou Angels” song. And the promotion doesn’t really bother me personally. But I have to agree that it smells of Jumping Sharks. Then again, so did G-Rosso, and so far that has gone over quite well. Nizmo sees this promotion as a sort of “selling out”. And he wonders if Akimoto has any “quality control” clauses in the girls’ contracts. And if he doesn’t, maybe he should.
Finally the post that will get most of the H!P fans around here in an uproar. Nizmo discusses why he thinks AKB48 is better than Hello! Project overall. Keep in mind that most of this stuff is totally subjective, and it is merely Nizmo’s opinion. But he looks at different aspects of each organization, including the music, the performers, the business operations, and the ability to keep up with trends. In Nizmo’s model AKB48 edges out H!P in every category. Now I am a big AKB48 fan, and I found myself wholeheartedly agreeing with some of the points being made. But I also see that one could make an argument the other way on many of the facts being presented.
But the entire discussion should be a great conversation (debate) starter, whichever side of the fence you stand on. Recommended Reading!
Comment by CJ Marsicano — 2009/07/18 @ 9:52 am
This is an apples-and-oranges argument. Both groups have different ways of doing things. Morning Musume are more prolific and tour frequently; AKB48 rarely leave their theatre except for major concerts, and their recordings, while great, don’t come out as often. AKB48 are also much more of a singles band (One can’t really count all those individual AKB team’s studio recordings of their live sets as true studio albums, since they’re by individual teams rather than the mixes of members the singles feature) whereas Morning Musume are comfortable both with singles and albums. I like both bands, so just sayin’…
Comment by bontakun — 2009/07/19 @ 1:00 am
Personally, I think this blogger thinks too highly of himself to be taken seriously. Note one of his replies to the comments on his post:
“…now how does this incredibly astute and analytical observation constitutes as me being a fanboy to you disturbs me…”
Truly cringe-worthy, but I’ll leave you to be the judge of that…
Comment by Vee — 2009/07/19 @ 2:46 am
I honestly can’t stand to read bloggers who attack their own readers, and Nizmo does so, various times, even in response to completely innocuous comments. The article addresses a subject worth some exploration, but the attitude of the writer would turn any discerning reader off. I agree with you, bontakun.
Comment by bontakun — 2009/07/19 @ 4:06 am
I’ve tried debating the matter with him in a polite manner, and he has stooped to being condescending and even deleted one of my posts despite the fact that I remained civil and raised valid points (although I did also ask him to stop being so rude).
To put it quite simply, I’ve been trying to point out to him what CJ Marsicano has earlier said – that the comparison really isn’t quite fair to begin with. MM isn’t merely competing with AKB48 alone. They are also competing with C-ute and Berryz for attention – both from fans, and for marketing and promotion. As such, it is far better to compare all of H!P with all of AKB48’s efforts where we’ll find that they are actually rather even with H!P having a bit of an edge.
Nizmo has shown a lack of respect for differing opinions, and has a too much of an ego to ever admit that he might be mistaken. Ah well, its his blog and he controls the moderation. Attempting to debate with him on his turf is a losing battle.
Comment by AvexTrax — 2009/07/19 @ 5:51 am
I think you are trying to put in your own biased rules just to give MM an edge bontakun, I mean why can’t you just compare MM vs. AKB48 point blank? They are both idol groups, they both compete in the same market segment against the same competition, and if you look at the much longer history and name recognition MM has going for them, I don’t really see why it’s an unfair comparison to MM, I’d rather find that it’s unfair to AKB48 considering they have been around for only a few years.
I have to side with Nizmo on this one, his opinions are based much closer to reality than yours, and what’s more crucial is that he doesn’t resort to twisted logic to make his point stick unlike you, I mean the way you tried to put the Elder Club up against SKE48 was just ridiculous, and then claiming that the sales figures of H!P were higher against AKB48 and their sub-groups only to get shut down by Nizmo that H!P has more singles released, not a fair comparison at all.
Some readers just won’t stop spreading their biased opinions even when they are exposed of being very unreasonable in their logic.
Comment by broomhead — 2009/07/19 @ 7:21 am
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Comment by bontakun — 2009/07/19 @ 9:33 am
And on what justification can you claim that its fair to compare AKB48 to MM point blank? Just look at the number of girls in each lineup and you can easily tell that its not fair. Pitting Elder Club vs SKE48 was my way of showing just how unrealistic it was to pit the entire AKB48 lineup to MM in the first place. Like the first comment already said – don’t compare apples to oranges.
As for sales, more singles releases does NOT automatically translate into more sales. Only the more affluent fans will buy everything. Chances are a good number of fans will have to start making decisions over what they’d rather buy instead. We’re not all rich.
AKB48 released only 2 singles in the first half of 2009. If you think that if they released 4 singles, they will still be able to sell 100k+ for each of them, I have to say that its highly unlikely. For all you know, sales might plummet to 50k+ per single but the likelihood will be somewhere in between.
H!P has a different business model. They would rather spread out their releases and let fans pick and buy what they can afford among their favorites. AKB48 fans just have that one single to buy each time. Odds are actually heavily stacked against MM if you wish to count by sales alone to determine popularity.
And frankly, if both H!P and AKB48 were dependent on singles sales alone to fund their business, both will be bankrupt quite soon. Its obviously not where they make their money. Even 100k+ sales per single is not enough to pay the wages of 40+ girls and their support staff and still make a decent profit. Its all in merchandising, commercial endorsements, concert tours, etc. Anyone have any actual figures for this? Neither of us do, but I’m not the one who’s loudly proclaiming that one group is better than the other.
I can further point out just how Nizmo contradicts himself within his points, but I can’t be bothered anymore. No point discussing with someone who can’t stop being condescending. I might not agree with people, but I at least know how to respect their opinions. Nizmo does not.
After all, as I have already said, I actually acknowledge his opinion that MM is outclassed by AKB48. I was just trying to point out that its not a fair comparison to begin with. In no way was I even trying to prove that the current MM are actually better than AKB48 because frankly, I can think of only one category where MM can trump AKB48 right now and that is concerts. MM does it better still. Opinions, of course, are subjective and open to debate.
I’m done here. Let me know when someone is actually interested in a civilized discussion without high-handed attitudes.
Comment by jim — 2009/07/19 @ 10:11 am
think I gotta go with broom on this one
Comment by AvexTrax — 2009/07/19 @ 2:00 pm
Come on bontakun, your argument is based on 100% bs. You are switching rules from one thing to the next only to support MM’s case. You say it’s unfair because AKB48 has more members, but then turn around and claim that the singles sales comparison is fair even with H!P releasing more singles. If there’s anything apples and oranges about the whole thing, it’s your flip-flopping style. You even said pitting Elder Club vs SKE48 is unrealistic (after Nizmo called you out on it), but didn’t you use it to support your argument in the first place? So what are you exactly saying, that your argument is unreal, or just contradictory in nature?
If you feel that more singles doesn’t necessarily translate into more sales, then why don’t you just compare MM vs AKB48 alone, as they both have released 2 singles this year, makes it a very clean and simple comparison. I also don’t see how you can add sales figures from other H!P groups and justify that as valid when you said so yourself that BK and C-ute are MM’s competition, so why should MM take credit for the competing groups’ sales figures? Your argument really falls apart there.
AKB48 having more members is an advantage, but you feel that way because you agree with Nizmo’s point that more members add variety and more mass appeal, however it doesn’t automatically mean that AKB48 is better, Nizmo’s point is that it’s one of the factors that makes AKB48 more popular, so I think you have misunderstood him quite a bit. Having more members in a group doesn’t mean the singles sales will be better either, so there’s really no point for you to even bring that up.
And now you are going off on a tangent about how singles sales isn’t everything (because AKB48 totally owns in that category?) to decide who is better (Nizmo’s article was never about which group is better, it’s about which group is more popular dude.), yeah thanks for your insight, but it’s kind of irrelevant for this argument.
I don’t think you are really respecting Nizmo’s opinion by how you are making your argument, in fact you lack some common sense really, and I guess anyone can take that as being ignorant and insulting the other’s intelligence to think that they wouldn’t see what you are trying to pull with your flip-flopping mentality.
If you think it’s an unfair comparison, then simply disagree with Nizmo dude, but the more you argue about it, it does seem like you are defending MM clearly.
Comment by CK♂ — 2009/07/19 @ 2:16 pm
I’m glad everyone is having such a good time
But seriously I have a lot to say about this…from both sides of the J-pop fence. I’ll begin by saying that I am disappointed to see Nizmo’s reaction to the reader comments. He puts out some highly opinionated posts (and yes, not all but some of what he is saying is based on opinion) and resorts to namecalling and comment deletion when he is challenged. It’s magnified by the fact that he is even arguing and deleting the comments of AKB48 fans. Sad.
I dare to say that some of what he says IS based on fact. The fact that AKB48 is outselling H!P. The fact that AKB48 is the more “trendy” and popular group right now. The fact that AKB48’s management is currently doing a better job of promotion. The sales numbers, TV appearances and general coverage don’t lie. I can even agree with his position on “Talent”. Not that I think that the AKB girls are more talented, but their talents are definitely being put to better use. At least right now they are.
But stating one group has an edge in looks is nothing but an opinion. As is stating that one songwriter is better than another. Even if you are saying that the basis of the “edge” in looks is in the “variety” of girls. As a fan of both organizations, I see an equivalent variety. Tall, short, skinny, not so skinny. Both teams have em. As far as Akimoto Yasushi and Tsunku are concerned, their track records speak for themselves. Both are amazing songwriters…nuff said. If you like one over the other, then that is your preference. Period!
This stance that what you say is “gospel”, and everyone else is an idiot is completely ridiculous. Unless Nizmo is some industry insider (which I highly doubt), then he is just like the rest of us….another a$$hole with an opinion.
I am an AKB48 fan. And I love H!P too. I don’t see it as a choice between one or the other. And I find the entire “rivalry” to be a bit comical. But since I have been ridiculed for being a fan of AKB by a few silly H!P fans, I am kinda enjoying this “shoe on the other foot” moment. I like seeing the H!P fans feeling threatened by the “looming monster” that is AKB.
As for Nizmo, I love your blog. But if you can’t take the heat, then stay out of the kitchen. Lets all try to be “adult” for a change. And as for AvexTrax, who sounds eerily similar to Nizmo…same message.
Now let me check my feedreader to find more blogs to get all of your proverbial “panties in a bunch” Bwahahahahahaha!
Comment by AvexTrax — 2009/07/19 @ 3:43 pm
Puhaha, it’s an oxymoron to expect idol fans to act “adult” dude, get real man. I don’t find it that much “adult” that you are going about criticizing a blogger in a personal fashion on your website instead of commenting at Nizmo’s blog, it’s rather ironic that you are kind of doing the exact same thing you are accusing Nizmo of, but only worse.
The real problem I see is not that Nizmo sticks to his opinions no matter what, it’s that those who leave comments to make an argument for the most part are total trolls and their opinions suck balls, I’m rather impressed that Nizmo still keeps his composure in check and treats the comments according to his rules without abusing his administrative powers. I’ve seen some comments right before they were deleted, and he has every right to do so considering that the nature of the message is rather offensive, personal, or irrelevant. And he does make an effort to give a reply to deserving comments, so I don’t see where you find that he can’t handle it.
There’s a reason you take Nizmo’s blog worthy of mention, because his viewpoints indeed have validity and substance, so I don’t think you really should lecture Nizmo about manners or whatever, I honestly think it’s a bit of a copout whenever anyone brings up the “be mature” card, as if they have an authority on being mature or whatever. Just argue the relevant points and if you get embarrassed or get your ego bruised from getting owned in a verbal fashion, might as well quiet down and move on instead of accusing them of being “not nice”, it’s nothing but a desperate attempt at a personal insult from a bitter, sore loser.
I totally see where Nizmo is coming from when he makes a case about the Looks department, I don’t know how you can even pretend to think that H!P girls are comparable to AKB48 in looks, H!P all look like little girls man. AKB48 on the other hand has real women and big boobs, they obviously have more variety by far.
The Music department is probably the most opinionated thing that Nizmo has stated, but even in that topic he has based his assessment on the trend of music industry and not just the song writer’s style exclusively to give a more reality-based perspective, and within that context, AKB48’s music is more in tune with the demands of today’s audience, and clearly reflected in the sales figures. Nizmo doesn’t just give AKB48 a free pass on everything either, he gave Namida Surprise a rating of 6/10, but I guess that’s more of a reflection on his personal taste in music than an indicator for the mass appeal factor toward the general public.
I find it rather hilarious that you people are bitching and moaning about some blogger and his opinions like a teenage girl having her mood swings, if you don’t like it, don’t read it, but most importantly, nobody really gives a hoot.
Comment by celestia — 2009/07/19 @ 4:32 pm
personally, I have more problem with his member scoring system… I mean, some of the best singers get n/a for talent because he doesn’t like their faces… something is wrong with that
Comment by CK♂ — 2009/07/19 @ 5:13 pm
Thank you Nizmo..ERRRRRRR AvexTrax for completely validating mine, and everyone’s point.
BTW, what’s up with the pseudonym Nizmo? Is it fun to speak of yourself in the third person? Lighten up. You had to know this was going to happen when you wrote this post. Why not have fun with it instead of fighting with everyone who has a different opinion? Deja vu? Stage48.net???
Actually, this is kinda fun
Comment by pengie — 2009/07/19 @ 5:26 pm
I find it rather hilarious that you people are bitching and moaning about some blogger and his opinions like a teenage girl having her mood swings, if you don’t like it, don’t read it
lol, it’s kinda funny that you’re the one leaving this comment.
Comment by Vee — 2009/07/19 @ 5:31 pm
Well nevermind my article about J-Pop fans being more respectful and level-headed than K-Pop fans, NizmoTrax.
Y SO SRS?????
Comment by wendy — 2009/07/19 @ 5:32 pm
woah what the hell
you guys need to chillllll
Comment by Amy — 2009/07/19 @ 5:33 pm
tldr
Comment by CK♂ — 2009/07/19 @ 5:33 pm
Oh, and BTW…I still like your blog. (hehe)
Comment by Shirow — 2009/07/19 @ 5:36 pm
tl:dr
DRAMA.
Comment by Vee — 2009/07/19 @ 5:39 pm
This is like the King of IW Threads.
Comment by SecondBlossoming — 2009/07/19 @ 5:41 pm
“if you don’t like it, don’t read it, but most importantly, nobody really gives a hoot.”
Then can you take this somewhere else then?
A lot of people here don’t want to hear you bitch and moan.
Comment by King of IW — 2009/07/19 @ 5:47 pm
ORDER IN THE COURT
…what
Comment by Vee — 2009/07/19 @ 5:54 pm
I LOVE YOU AMY.
Comment by AvexTrax — 2009/07/19 @ 6:10 pm
Yeah it is kind of fun, but you should not piss off Nizmo just because his blog is awesome and his opinions are fantastic, and you feel jealous or something.
I don’t really know what you mean by being validated though, did Nizmo run and hide because he couldn’t take the heat?
Why don’t you comment on his blog instead of hiding here though? I mean, just because I agree with Nizmo doesn’t mean I’m actually him. There are plenty of people who agree with Nizmo you know.
But I wouldn’t count on Nizmo engaging in a personal pissing match like you are trying to bait him on, he rarely does it, so if you cross any lines in his blog, he’ll probably just delete your comments so watch out for that. Just make your statement that you agree with his brilliant post then politely give him your best regard and leave.
It wouldn’t hurt to apologize for attacking him on your website either.
Have fun!
Comment by AvexTrax — 2009/07/19 @ 6:12 pm
I was here to read CK’s brilliant article on Nizmo’s blog, so I should be here to comment, why are you here if you don’t care about anything? Duh.
Comment by King of IW — 2009/07/19 @ 6:13 pm
Amy!? WHO IS THIS AMY YOU SPEAK OF, I AM THE KING OF IW.
Comment by pengie — 2009/07/19 @ 6:13 pm
this comment makes my head hurt for a number of reasons already established
However, I take issue with you saying that someone (presumably CK?) “attacked” Nizmo/you on the website. I don’t see an attack in his post, and we really don’t control what IW readers say in the comments here. So I think you owe CK an apology, please.
Comment by pengie — 2009/07/19 @ 6:17 pm
you sure look a lot like amy… or is the king of IW a little asian girl too?
Comment by CK♂ — 2009/07/19 @ 6:24 pm
It’s okay pengie. No apology necessary. I am enjoying this exchange. Nizmo (or his alter-ego AvexTrax) is fun to talk to.
And Nizmo, I am glad you saw that my original writeup (and the half dozen or so others I have done on Shabondama Days) have been nothing but complimentary.
Comment by pengie — 2009/07/19 @ 6:25 pm
ADMIN WANT APOLOGY, ADMIN GET APOLOGY
*stomps feet, snorts, deletes comments that don’t share same worldview*
oh whoops I’m starting to remind myself of somebody here
Comment by Risuzu — 2009/07/19 @ 6:25 pm
I’m cooking chicken nuggets for dinner.
Love&Peace
Comment by wendy — 2009/07/19 @ 6:29 pm
don’t worry pengie, as long as you stay inside your bubble of greatness, you’ll be safe from everybody else >^>
Comment by pengie — 2009/07/19 @ 6:31 pm
yeah, my blog is awesome and my opinions are fantastic, so that makes me totally safe here.
btw, from now on just call me SONYMUSIC, I like the sound of that better
Comment by pengie — 2009/07/19 @ 6:32 pm
so… one second you’re calling him brilliant, the next second you’re accusing him of attacking you…
or wait is he brilliant just because he wrote up your blog…
Comment by Kirarin☆Snow ☃ — 2009/07/19 @ 6:35 pm
AKB48 on the other hand has real women and big boobs, they obviously have more variety by far.
Since when was “big boobs” the only factor determining variety? And even if it is, do you have more concrete statistics on the distribution of breast size between AKB48 and H!P? Mean and standard deviation? A histogram? I generally don’t notice breast size when I see people, so the variety you claim is certainly not obvious to me. As for “real women”, would you care to define the term objectively and cite evidence for your claim?
I don’t find it that much “adult” that you are going about criticizing a blogger in a personal fashion on your website instead of commenting at Nizmo’s blog,
The comments I’ve seen here have been criticisms of Nizmo’s approach to responding to criticism and not personal attacks, in my opinion. And given that a relatively large number of comments on Nizmo’s blog from multiple people have been deleted in a very short amount of time, I think it’s reasonable to expect criticism to appear elsewhere, as the original forum presents a hindrance to a free exchange of ideas. Also, a comment thread where every other comment is missing and the author is responding to invisible comments does not reflect highly on the author. If the comments were worthy enough for the author to respond in depth in the first place, why delete them?
I mean, just because I agree with Nizmo doesn’t mean I’m actually him. There are plenty of people who agree with Nizmo you know.
I don’t think it’s the agreement that make people think this … it’s the similarity in writing style… So are you Nizmo or not?
Comment by AvexTrax — 2009/07/19 @ 6:42 pm
Didn’t CK say that Nizmo deletes comments when he feels challenged? That’s a pure assumption, first of all, how does CK even know what Nizmo’s state of mind is? From what I’ve seen, Nizmo gives everyone a chance to state their case, he even gave this whacked troll Claire 4 or 5 replies until he decided to just end it because the only crap she was able to muster was keep accusing Nizmo of being a fanboy with her H!P fangirl bias. If I was Nizmo I would just cuss her out and not even deal with such bs.
The latest troll bontakun is the same thing, just read his comments here, that’s enough evidence to prove what type of delusional H!P freaks Nizmo is dealing with on a daily basis.
The fact that CK is hung up on bashing Nizmo without even considering the possibility that the comments Nizmo is dealing with is even a bigger source of the problem than anything else tells me that this Nizmo hunting doesn’t have any noble intentions.
Comment by Kirarin☆Snow ☃ — 2009/07/19 @ 6:48 pm
So calling people “whacked troll” and “delusional H!P freaks” does not constitute personal attacks in your opinion? I don’t see anyone else here resorting to calling other people names…
Comment by pengie — 2009/07/19 @ 6:48 pm
again: where is CK bashing you? As he said himself, his writeup was quite complimentary of your opinion, and he has done SEVERAL OTHERS. The “bashing” leap is a huge one to make here…
I’m also not enjoying you accusing our commenters of being trolls, or “delusional H!P freaks,” while you are the one who is basically commenting under a psuedonym and speaking in the third person so that you may defend yourself while also calling yourself brilliant etc etc.
This is all getting pretty tiring.
Comment by IndigoSkies — 2009/07/19 @ 6:49 pm
“delusional H!P freaks”? “trolls”? I can’t speak for the actual comments because I can’t see them, but dude, are you just insulting all H!P fans now? If you think everyone that argues against the AKB-is-better thing is a troll, aren’t YOU being a little biased?
Comment by wendy — 2009/07/19 @ 6:50 pm
maybe because SB is IW staff olol
Comment by CK♂ — 2009/07/19 @ 6:54 pm
“troll” “delusional” geez, this language sounds familiar. Oh yeah, it’s Nizmo!
Cripes Nizmo, stop crying already. I read some of those comments too, I liked the last one that was deleted, who simply said that both sides of the argument were being biased. That was it. That’s all it said. So why delete that one?
It is also interesting that as big a fan of Nizmo you claim to be, you have never commented on Shabondama Days. Stop “hiding” under an alter-ego already, Nizmo.
And please show me where I bashed you at any time. Saying that you needed to be more mature in your interactions with people is not bashing. Nor is stating you delete the posts of those who disagree with you. That IS fact.
If you actually read what I said, I agreed with you on most points. I said that in the original writeup, and I repeated it in the comments.
But feel free to continue to fight the world Nizmo. Believe me, there is only one person coming across as an ass here.
Comment by Vee — 2009/07/19 @ 7:05 pm
This. Thanks, KS, I didn’t have the energy to do the teel deer. I expect many of us hear are thinking exactly this.
I was very interested to read the AKB comparison/contrast/argument, because at the moment I can’t really bring myself to be a staunch defender of ANY idol group. I like the variety of fan opinion. But Nizmo’s style of response as a writer immediately turned me off. It’s a shame because, as CK has mentioned, he is a good writer.
(P.S. I also wondered about the “big boobs” thing. If that’s the determiner of variety, then most of H!P’s Elder Club (not you, Yui) has some ’splainin’ to do.)
Comment by Vee — 2009/07/19 @ 7:05 pm
Yeah also ignore my typos. >__> “hear” etc.
Comment by Risuzu — 2009/07/19 @ 7:12 pm
One thing that I wonder: Are sales figures an accurate representation of popularity? After all, H!P and AKB both release multiple versions of singles, and the more hardcore fans buy more than one version of them. Also, with the latest AKB single, fans bought many copies to allow them more votes for the next single.
Love&Peace
Comment by AvexTrax — 2009/07/19 @ 7:17 pm
It’s not the only determining factor, it’s only mentioned prominently because H!P lacks boobs quite drastically. It probably wouldn’t have been an issue if Ishiikawa Rika and Okada Yui were still around, now those are some nice boobs.
I highly recommend that you check out photo images of AKB48 girls especially in bikinis, you’ll immediately notice a couple of round, bouncy, and firm physical assets residing on their chest area, something so foreign and unfamiliar when looking at any of MM photobooks by comparison.
It would be easier for you to look at H!P and try to find a “real woman”, because you won’t find any.
I don’t know about that, when you demand someone to be “adult”, that’s a very severe, personal insult. There’s really no place for that when debating about Jpop, for pete’s sake.
I don’t pretend to understand how Nizmo operates his blog, but do you really expect him to just let trolling comments hang around? I wish Nizmo would just leave them too, but I guess I wouldn’t want to waste my time reading a bunch of nonsense either, that’s like allowing disinformation to spread on the internet. So I came to accept that when I see a deleted comment, I assume that Nizmo saved me some time.
Comment by pengie — 2009/07/19 @ 7:23 pm
it’s kinda telling that you have the exact same opinions as Nizmo.
drop the psuedonym, please. I’m starting to consider this a form of trolling.
Comment by wendy — 2009/07/19 @ 7:25 pm
I’ve seen some of the deleted comments. There’s a difference between a trolling comment and somebody’s opinion/response.
Comment by AvexTrax — 2009/07/19 @ 7:29 pm
I wouldn’t use those terms unless I am 100% certain, I think most of the trolls who got exposed did admit that and that’s when their comments got deleted. And when you are a certified troll, you are giving up any human right protection against verbal assault. H!P fanatics are the same, they mostly admitted that they are a bunch of biased fanboy/fangirl, and it’ snot that difficult to spot them either, their comments are really whacked.
Comment by IndigoSkies — 2009/07/19 @ 7:33 pm
And you’re saying you’re NOT biased? By stereotyping an entire group of fans as trolls just because they like H!P, that kinda screams bias to me.
Comment by maiZe — 2009/07/19 @ 7:33 pm
Okay everyone, this is getting a little bit out of hand. I don’t want new readers to IW checking the latest comments and getting scared off by this discussion.
I have created a thread on Wotatalk, IW’s forum. If you want to continue this discussion there, please feel free.
http://wotatalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=276
Any further comments made will just be moved to that thread. This is not to censor anyone’s thoughts, for Wotatalk is free for anyone to join and view/comment on. This discussion is just more suited for a forum rather than a comments thread on IW.
However, I have to say, completely out of the realm of the MM vs. AKB48 argument going on here, AvexTrax, if your definition of a “real woman” means she must have large assets… Well, I can see a good number of slaps coming your way as you go through life.
Comment by broomhead — 2009/07/19 @ 8:38 pm
btw i’m nizmo